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#10039822 Sep 19, 2014 at 02:56 AM
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Just got my results, seems there's some truth in the common notion of literature folks having problem with math... got 102%. Strange :)

Anyways, there's a coupon code for the weekend, which gives 30% discount on everything you place in the cart. If you have some TPs left, it's a good time to spend them:

30% off Cart Coupon: Use Coupon Code: CT3014
2 uses per account!
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#10040239 Sep 19, 2014 at 05:30 AM · Edited 5 years ago
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I got 102 as well - very odd.

I am never very sure what to spend my TP point on. I bought the Trollshaws but seem to be in the North Downs now following Book 2 - I don't have enough points to buy it. A little frustrating as I can only do the one quest line. Lots of animals with lemons above their heads.

Do you (or anyone) have recommendations on what are good things to buy with TP's?

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#10040477 Sep 19, 2014 at 06:57 AM · Edited 5 years ago
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There's an easy answer (without much help), "depends". As it's depending on many factors, and the player's preferences.

But of course there are some guidelines. For example if you're Premium (after the Gamgee pack), and not planning to play for longer periods as a subscriber, then buying the content is a wise choice. Or if you like the cosmetics, then buying 1-2 more cosmetic slots could be useful. Inventory is something which is always a good pick too (I plan to buy that on my main for example with the coupons, and I already have 7 bags... if you like to pile up stuff like I do, there's no such thing as "enough slots"...). If you like to jumping around the world quickly - and not on a hunter - the extra milestone skill is useful too. For a non-subscriber crafter there's the crafting guild access (luckily that's cheap without a sale too). There's plenty of things in the Store...

Sticking to the content as the purchase with the highest priority, as a rule of thumb the first purchase should be Evendim, followed by either Angmar or Forochel (based on TP balance and the player's mood. Angmar is more expensive, but has more content too. It's dark, gloomy, evil, full of smoke and death and stuff. Forochel is lighter, but cold and full of ice and snow. If you like winter, Forochel is the way). That way is good enough to reach level 50, from there it's expansion-time.

You can buy expansions through TP too, but maybe it's better to buy them for money: last year there was a huge sale on them when Helm's Deep launched, you could get the quad-pack (all 4 expansions, between level 50-85) for 20 bucks. If you get them through a similar sale, you can keep the TPs for unlocking more quest packs in the lower region.
Trollshaws you already have, it's nice and close to the lore. Remaining North Downs, Misty, Eregion, and either Foro or Angmar.

Personally, I'd leave North Downs for the last, if you play through Lone Lands, you already over-levelled half of ND, and if you play Evendim (which is a nice ride, with a cool story) you can skip North Downs entirely. **
Eregion is similar, if you are around level 50 and own the Moria expansion, you can skip Eregion. **
Misty Mountains would be my first suggestion, it has nice ties to Rivendell, the story is close to the lore, and it has Goblin-town :) a very cool place.
After that I'd say the missing one from Forochel / Angmar, to have multiple routes towards reaching level 50.
Only after that Eregion (it has nice deeds, and by that time you will be already around 60. On the road to Enedwaith you can complete the deeds and quests in Eregion). And only as the final purchase would I say North Downs. Even with the revamp it's a chaotic zone, very big, slow, and a bit tedious.

** of course you should do the book quest line there even if you don't have the zone. "Skip entirely" I only mean playing through the book line and then leave :) ND is pretty cool in this matter, the Rangers of North trying to arrange a council of dwarf, elf and man, to plan their move against the threat of Angmar, which means of course that you will do all the work... them lazy rangers...
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#10040721 Sep 19, 2014 at 08:27 AM
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Thank you Seratil for this very detailed explanation of how to use TPs.

I think this would be useful for everyone. I certainly run out of bag space a lot. I am thinking of going VIP for three months just to get the extra bags, character and trait slots and some more content. Of course you then get Hobbit presents and 500 TPs per month so it might be worth it just for a short time.

This is certainly very useful information.
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#10041045 Sep 19, 2014 at 10:02 AM · Edited 5 years ago
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1 month is enough :) Actually that even has a name, called the "1 month vip route", as the most cost-efficient way to "unlock" LotRO.

When your vip time is over, and you're placed back onto Premium state, you keep everything unlocked except the content (quest packs, skirmishes, instances and pvp). Every other restrictions, like gold cap, swift travel, AH access, slots on the trait/virtue panel, inventory, you keep unlocked on every character which was online during your vip time. That's an important condition, you need to log in with every character at least once - with dozens of alts it's easy to miss one :) And when this was validated, pretty early, maybe a month after the f2p switch happened, the 1month vip route was born.

You start an account, create your characters and level them to 20-30. Then, when you have some free time ahead, subscribe for a month.
During that month, level your main character to 50, with questing in every area, start every deed which is giving class-appropriate virtues on the advanced tier, create 3 (or 2 in your case) more characters for later use, maybe on multiple servers, and if you still have some time left, level your second character in areas you will lose soon.
After the month is over, you'll be premium with 3 character slots, so you need to pick 2 characters you won't play right now. (they are still keep unlocked everything, so when later you buy more character slots, you'll have 2 more non-restricted characters)
Then you go back and finish the started deeds - you can finish every deed which you started as vip, even if you don't have the quest pack anymore. That's why you need the advanced tier, so upon completion you'll get the virtue and 10TP.
After that you'll probably have enough TP (with the 500 from the 1 month vip) to buy 2 quest packs, most likely Evendim and Forochel or Angmar. With those packs you can level up your other characters to 50, and getting enough TP during the way to open up 1 more pack.

Till this point there's no grind or farm or anything. From here the route can go many directions... if there was an expansion sale during the time, and you purchased one (or more), you can continue leveling, gathering more TPs during the way. You can buy a character slot, "unfreeze" one of your characters and leveling him/her up to 50, gathering TPs during the fun. If you want to play totally free, you can start to farm some TPs on a different server (since the TP pool is account-wide).

If you know in advance, that you won't be staying on a subscription for long, then 1 month vip is more than enough. After the first month you get close to nothing from being a vip... there's the xp boost, but leveling is fast enough without that. There's the 500TP / month, well, for $15 you can get 1200-1300TP instead of the 500, if you buy the Points directly. There's the access to pvp, but you wrote earlier you don't like that anyways :)

edit: maybe if you have enough free time at hand, it could be beneficial to stay vip one more month, if you can finish the areas with an another character during that month. That could give you plenty of TPs.
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#10042698 Sep 19, 2014 at 05:21 PM
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You could write a book Seratil. How to do LOTRO

It is so lonely on the Laurelin server nowadays that I'm mainly playing on Melendor which was only to try out an LM to begin with. So my main character is now my LM. I'm sure things will pick up again for the next course.
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#10044421 Sep 20, 2014 at 06:35 AM
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There must be a math problem indeed.

I got 98,8% for losing 1 point on Assignments. :O
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#10044423 Sep 20, 2014 at 06:36 AM
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BTW before becoming a VIP I spent points on riding skill and wallet and inventory.
Afterbecoming a VIP I spent some points on useless stuff like emotes....and yesterday I got myself the Runekeeper class. :D
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#10047741 Sep 21, 2014 at 02:07 AM · Edited 5 years ago
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Book? Not at all... that'd be plagiarism :) these are not my ideas and methods, it was collected and refined by the community. Actually there was a great site for all of these stuff, but sadly it's gone since a couple years now, so I couldn't post even a google-cached version of the detailed 1-month vip route...

For the Laurelin loneliness, Celge was faster with the musical post, so I just put here the forum entry of it, for additional infos and a video: Musical

Celge, riding skill is never a useless purchase, even if vip you only get that for free at level 20. And the Zam free riding giveaway was something really unexpected :)
If by wallet you mean the premium wallet, that's a great purchase, vip's don't get it for free either - but the real advantages of it you will only see at higher levels, in that sense it can be a useless one at the moment.
Emotes are fun, especially /tickle and /groundroll, and those are store exclusive so not useless spending, that's the only way to acquire them.
Inventory... well, after going vip that could seem as an unnecessary purchase. But if you had frequent bag problems and it helped during the free time, then I'd say don't regret it.

Rune-keeper. That's a big "depends". If you enjoy it right now, the different way of healing and the fight without shouting all the time ( :) ), dishing out fire and lightning on the enemy, then it was a great purchase. However, if you plan to stay a bit longer in LotRO, and at level 50 start purchasing the expansions... with Moria you get the Rk and the warden... in that sense buying the Rk separately could seem as an unnecessary TP spending.
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#10048248 Sep 21, 2014 at 06:33 AM
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Thanks for the music posts Celdge. Weekends are always a little difficult for me as my daughter comes home from college. Then on Sunday night I have the 2.5 hour round trip to take her back again. That always clashes with the Sunday events.
Never mind soon she will be 18 and able to take her driving test. Then I just need to buy her a car.....

You will have to let us know what Rune keeper is like and whether you think your points well spent.

Book or not Seratil your information is really useful. I could turn them, and Celdge's observations into an FAQ post for those wanting to know what to do with TP's.

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#10049082 Sep 21, 2014 at 11:43 AM
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"Rune-keeper points well spent or not"
Apologies, maybe it's my weak english caused some confusion :) I only ment the timing of the purchase, not the purchase itself. Rune-keeper is one of my favourite classes, it obviously worths the purchase.
But if you know that you will buy Moria in the closer or distant future, then you should know that Moria includes both the warden and the rune-keeper classes. So with purchasing them before, you basically buying them twice - and getting them only once.
Which is not an issue if you feel you want to play the rune-keeper (or the warden) right now, and don't want to wait until you buy the Moria expansion later. In that case you basically spent the TP for an "early access" to the class, which is understandable.

"what rune-keeper is like"
It's great fun :) a bit more difficult than the minstrel, and have a different healing mechanic - HoT instead of burst. Most of the minstrel heals are burst ones, you simply slap a big chunk of healing on one (or more) fellowship member(s). Rune-keeper is utilising more HoTs, heal over time spells. Heals a small number, then it stays on the target and "ticks" for 10-30seconds while healing continuously. That requires more planning ahead, keep watching the durations, etc. but also it gives a lot of freedom, you can move around, doing what you want, meanwhile the target is getting the heals. By a different terminology it's proactive healing, opposing to minstrel's reactive one (minstrel: "oops, XY just took a massive hit, let's heal it back quickly")

An another difference - which was big at the launch, now with the trait trees it's not that important but still fun - the attunement system. Minstrels (and every class) can have multiple roles, for example damage with dissonance, and then switching to healing setup. In the past that switch was pricey and slow, you had to visit a bard and relocate your points for a hefty sum of silver/gold. (now with the trait tree panel it's just a click)
Then came the rune-keeper, who could switch the roles on the fly, for free - even in combat! So you put some heals ticking on the party, switch to damage, casting lightning bolts onto the enemy, then switching back to heal and refresh the ticking before they running out.
(but I have to add lots of players used their rune-keeper strictly for damage, since it had massive damage output, it was clearly the top damage class for some time.)
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